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Bone Gnawer Moot

September 13, 2002

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *Linda enters warehouse...checking it all over...shes armed with a gun...*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *She quickly along with other Gnawers secures it for the meeting*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *enters shortly behind Linda*

Charlie Stone: Will show up shortly.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: *is already there...seems to have been there for awhile...*

Cindy Ramirez: *walks in while Linda's scoping it out... not really caring if it's safe*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *once shes satisfied Linda perches on a catwalk above the main doors...sitting but alert*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * stays Near danni*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks to Ben* It all secure?

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *relaxes, seeing people she knows*

Keith Morgan ( BG Kin): * Once the Garou Have checked it and seem content he walks in and moves to the back out of the way and fairly hard to notice*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *gives Forgotten a small smile, then moves to find herself a damn good seat*

Edward Morgan (TC): *gets kicked awake by Ben*

Cindy Ramirez: *moves away from everyone and sits in a corner*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Seems to be...*shrugs*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *nods climbs down alittle and settles*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * walks over and takes a reater protective looking laying spot near danni but readies to move if her pack comes and wants him to*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors* : *makes it just in time, and quietly slips in, a bright grin at seeing Danni though she looks around for Steel also*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks to Danni*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *nods to Riley, glad to see her packmate*

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *finds herself a seat, mostly alone, since she's the token Gnawer in her pack of Walkers*

Keith Morgan ( BG Kin): * notes Riley the nice one he meet that one time but does not dare draw any attention to himself*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *glances up at Linda* Yes?

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): want me to start Grandmother?

Maggie Sue (FMT): *Walks in, well, saunters is more like it*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors* : *She smiles to Keith but doesn't say anything at the moment given the circumstances, and she moves over to be near her packmate. And she looks around, wondering when this whole shebang is going to get started*

Charlie Stone: Enters taking a seat off to the side.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * allows riley to sit where she wants to around a danni moving if he has to*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: *Joe Bob Sanders shows up in the FMT's truck...and promptly falls asleep*

Keith Morgan ( BG Kin): * gives a Smile back to riley and just watches*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): Give it a minute, Lin, I think we're a bit early. Want everyone here that'll come.

Cindy Ramirez: *sits away from everyone and just watches and listens*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *sits down and drinks her beer...she came prepared*

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *watching...her arms wrapped around her knees*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she grins to Forgotten, nodding in thanks though she's small so doesn't take up much space herself, and smiles a bit to Cindy, though staying where she is at it seems things are going to starting up*

Cindy Ramirez: *doesn't look at Riley.... or anyone else for that matter*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *taps her foot...shes edgy and can't help it*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * Notes linda's look* ~WS~ everything ok Linda?

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: (brb)

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): Yeah.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: *yawns and sits back down...*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *glancing around, then up to Linda again* Ok... If anyone else shows up, we can pelt 'em with garbage fer bein' late. *smirks*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * nods to her but watches everything moreclosely now*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): Got KFC popcorn chicken in the corner. And case a beer but it's warm probably. *knows the traditions of meeting*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): OOC:Moot start yet? BIC:*enters in his muddy-ass lupus form*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): OOC:oi. great timing on the entry *G* *waits to see how many times trash magnet goes off on him*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Danni assuming she'll start it*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she glances to Danni with the same expression as Linda, though more patient considering she was almost late. Her hands are thrust into her pockets, shifting weight from one foot to another*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): *plods to Maggie Sue, planting his ass down by her side*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *stands up, partly to see who all's here, partly to draw attention to herself*

Charlie Stone: (Charlie is here, likely will not speak up [cause I'm multitasking] and I am archiving this)

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *looks to Danni-rhya as she stands up*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: *yawns again and lights a cigar butt...*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *grins and scratches Spork's ears, looking around*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): All right, ya'll. *not raising her voice, but it carries nonetheless* Heads up and pay attention.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): I say if there late...screw um. Not literally. *slight smirk*

Keith Morgan ( BG Kin): * watches Danni*

Cindy Ramirez: *still looking at the ground, away from everyone.... but she listens*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *pays attention....*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *She perks up, straigthening a little, gaze focused on Danni as she reaches in her coat and pulls out a beer*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * perks his ears up listening to Danni*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): *perks head and ears up*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: *doesn't perk up...actually takes his fedora and puts it over his eyes...leaning back against the warehouse walls*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *glancing around to make sure she has the proper attention* Mosta ya'll know why we're here. For those who are dense... We're rapidly becomin' an endangered species in our own caern, folks. I'm one of the few Gnawers who holds a position at tha moment. This needs to change. We need to be heard.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: *snorts*

Edward Morgan (TC): *Sighs lightly, rubbing the back of his neck at that comment... he continues to watch with pursed lips.*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *her eyebrows slightly raised, she uncaps the beer and listens interestedly...frowning a little at Danni's words, having noticed that too for a while now..*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Edward as if hes a traitor*

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *listening*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *quirks a brow at Ben, and Eddie both...she'll remember who did what tonight, as well as who was and wasn't here*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Danni* OK boss...this like a moot where we all formal...or can we act like Gnawers for once and say what we think.

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *nods to Linda* Say what ya think... I wanna know.

Edward Morgan (TC): *Clears his throat* I've been ready for Adren for some time now... but.. *rubs the back of his neck sourly* My last challenge was a little more difficult than I was expecting for the rank... The Fenrir did -not- take well to tenure...

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): Mamma Rat say be giving to the downtrodden. Mama rat say be generous. Ya all have been. Ya opened the doors to this sept to other tribes. Let the homeless exile Walkas in....used the Fenrir cuz it was smart at the time. Well doormats been out...and now they start'n to treat us like one.

Edward Morgan (TC): ((*my tenure))

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Linda>>*without lifting his hat* And who's fault exactly is that?

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * watches them all closely not wanting to say anything yet*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *She glances to Linda as it seems she's got something to say, nods with less of a frown, quietly interested for now, going to wait a bit before saying anything. She glances to Edward, not recognizing him though noticing the look Linda gave him earlier...*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *Listens for now... taking things in, the cogs working*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Edward* That where you been? You been the Truthcatcha brother that weren't there. Where were you I faced the Fenrir for a judgement that by rights is correct by our traditions? Where was you when I lost the challenge? I aint blaming you for my loss...but you was another could have curbed the Fenrir...I lost all credibilty...all.

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *lets them talk it out for a bit, just waiting to see what everyone has to say, her arms crossed over her chest*

Edward Morgan (TC): Linda>> I was getting my ass kicked back and forth across the bawn of a Fenrir sept, trying my best to convince them to accept a street rat as their mediator... I got throated more times in one day then I'd even been in my life... *Winces, someone reminding himself of the Hadrian 'experience'...*

Edward Morgan (TC): *someone=somehow ((I'm not all here typing-wise))

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Ben* Probably everybodies. If you wanna kick my ass later bro go ahead but Danni said I could say freely what I think. Situation is good at this here sept. Food is plenty...aint no one going hungry. But you can't let it get you lax. Why do we need the Fenrir to defend us still? We need to show them rats got teeth! Our Ahroun gotta show em! Why the Walkers creeping in? We aint got qualified or willing peeps? Why? Wes gotta train...gotta hustle...before wes get eroded into noth'n.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): Well you back now...hope you help the situation. I had the will to be TC burned outa me...but I will train.

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *She glances to Linda, nodding thoughtfully though she shrugs* The Walker've always been around though, at least while I been here...though aren't they supposed to have some other place t'meet? Just seems like not all of 'em would like to stick around a junkyard, yanno?

Edward Morgan (TC): *Nods respectfully toward Linda, still not comfortable with the animousity that sits between them over the weaver's bastard-child...*

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *still listening to her elders*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *She nods to Linda, shrugging* Ya got a point, wasn't saying otherwise...and there does seem to be a lot more of them that when I first came. I dunno, they got a place of their own, let 'em use it more, right?

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *She raises an eyebrow at mention of the 'weaver freak metis kid'...and shakes her head, ain't touching that one*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Ben*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Maggie Sue>>So who fuckin cares? Long as we know who built the place and bled for it what does it fuckin matter that others who really dont mean shit when it all boils down think?

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *nods a bit, raising her voice into the conversation* Whether or not we hold positions...Linda's right about us lackin' qualified folk. Now, we lost a lotta people in tha last year. Good people. But that just means that tha young ones gotta work harder ta move up. *her gaze settling on Ari, Wields, Cindy, Riley*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Danni>>But is it the other Tribes' fault that they capitalized on our weakness? Or is it our fault for being weak?

Cindy Ramirez: *still just sitting there.... listening... not looking at anyone*

Maggie Sue (FMT): Ben> Yeah... it do... I ain't gonna do all the dirty work for them when the sept was obviously chosen with us in mind.

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *sighs a little at the debate, sips more of the beer* It matters, or we wouldn't be having this meeting, eh? And if we gotta train folk to get qualified for positions, then that's what's gotta be done, right?

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): So why we dancing to their tune? It's our place.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * listens to ben and inda* ~WS~ We are concedered the Omega tribe but only because they see us as that. We are th only ones that can change that. I for one dont want to have to lick boots to some fucking shadowlord or Fenris for that mater to. If we dont take care of our own who will?

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *thoughtful at Ben's question, mutters more to herself than for anyone else* maybe both...

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Linda>>Who's dancing to their tune? Is it the Fenrir's fault that he's carrying out his duty as he sees it in his beliefs? Perhaps instead of being angry at him for being what he is we should be angry at the two fuck ups who caused the situation to come up in the first place...

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): It's no one's fault, Ben, it's just tha way it is. It needs ta change.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks to danni as her gaze sarts falling* That is also my failure as well for not steping up, one I am tring to fix as we speak.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Forgotten>>We're the Omega Tribe because that's what we are...there's has to be one and face it we're damn good at it...

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *nodding in agreement with Linda, though she stays out of most of the debate, and isn't a passionate speaker, easygoing even in this*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): *shifts to homid as Danni mentions him. playing with the contents of his old muddy sleeveless trench coat*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Danni>>So you'd rather oppress the other Tribes? Make them so angry that instead of serving Rat and us like they are now they go get some of their bretheren to stomp our ass? We got it good now...don't try ta fix somethin that aint broke...

Maggie Sue (FMT): *SHakes her head, falling quiet, scratching Weild's ears again*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks at Ben* ~WS~ maybe you are content to Be Omaga but I am not. This is Our home cause th cit is the only place they let us have face it they outnumber us 3 to 1. This is ou Home, i aint saying go to the forrest and take therepower I am saying we should hold the rule's over what happenes in the only home they lower themself to let us have.

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): *leans into the scratching*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she raises an eyebrow, a curious expression on her face* Oppress the other tribes? That's kinda funny considering that's what they've always done in the past...but didn't sound like anyone was going that far...just want to make sure this place stays our home...

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): I don't want us ta oppress anyone, Ben. Don' know where yer gettin' that. What I want is fer us ta use tha strengths we have. We can be their Omega tribe, that's fine. It doesn't make us the weakest tribe by any means.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Forgotten>>What does it mean to be Omega? What do you think that really means?

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: (*kills typos*)

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Danni>>And what do you think they'll do when and if we snatch all the power? Do you think the Fenrir will contently be the nobodies in the Sept? Quietly watch the Gnawers run things in ways that are totally against their beliefs?

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she shrugs, not really caring at all what the Fenrir think, and glances to Danni*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks to Ben* ~WS~ I dont kno what you see it as but I know omaga as the weakest, the one who dos not have the will to be te leader, for fear, or lack of the strengt needed. I see a group here with possbly th strongest warriors of any trib could ask for. We have people who are smart we have everything the othe rtribe's hav but respect, and damn it in our own home we should start demanding t.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Riley>>And how would it not be our home? So they got fancy titles so fuckin what? Does a title mean a damn? Just cuz Hadrian's Truthcatcher does that change how any of us act? Hell when I was fucking a Walker on almost a nightly basis he was Truthcatcher...did that stop me? Fuck no ... tho I did make sure I wasnt caught...

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): I ain' talkin' about overtly snatchin' power, Ben. I'm talkin' about a behind tha scenes force. At one time, we wouldn' have survived without tha Get. I know this, I was there. Now, I wanna make sure they can' survive without us.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: (( it shoud end that post sorry))

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Forgotten>>Okay so now that you know that we arent the weakest most cowardly tribe around...does it matter what the other Tribes think?

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *blinks a bit at Ben's last comment...ok, she's naive enough to still think that it doesn't happen that often*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Danni>>And who says we arent already a behind the scenes force?

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *sipping the beer, she tilts her hea back toward the discussion, her tone always even and casual sounding* I'd think titles matter to some extent or peeps wouldn't keep challenging for them, eh? Not that I have a title or that it overly matters to me, but it does to some...

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Cindy* Don't know which of you blabbed it but that was a stupid moment. I'm try'n to train to fight...though I doubt I ever be a match for a Fenrir. Rat needs teeth. My deal is to be a pair of eyes. But I intend to grow some teeth. But aint you tired of goose-stepping to a bunch of Fenrir?

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Linda>>Actually Cindy was the one who blabbed...

Cindy Ramirez: Linda>> *just shrugs slightly... still watching the ground*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Cindy, glares at her*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *shakes her head to Ben* We're not. You know we're not. We're coming back, but we were sore hurt, tha past few months.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks to ben* ~WS~ No but it does matter what they do and I see them slowly taking our home away from us, Do you think that the fenris give a shi about our Kin? do they care about if we eat? all it takes is one shadowlord hearin we let th fenris come in and take the place over, and then we will be up to our ass in people wanting our home for themselves.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Riley>>Does a title matter to you? Do you give more or less of a shit because Danni's got a title?

Cindy Ramirez: *sighs.....* I told Andy.... I live with Andy.... she needed to know.... she told Ashe cause she was seeing him at the time.... Ashe told Twomoons after he flipped out....

Maggie Sue (FMT): Ben> Why do you have such a problem with us tryin' to take some pride in ourselves?

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): I don't think kill'n is gunna stop shagg'n. *grunts*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Danni>>Wanna bet we are? I guarentee you I tell Twomoons to jump he'll say how high...

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Maggie>>Cuz yer all doin it like Lords and Fangs and not Gnawers...

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *a side glance at Linda* I don' think anythin' is gonna stop that, personally... And ya'll know that I of all people don' give a shit, s'long as NO ONE FINDS OUT. Common sense, folks.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * thiking for a second and cant argue ith Ben there..he dose have twomoons, and jublian for that matter in his hip pocket*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: ((Eating AFK))

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *shifts to Galbro* Keep talking...your stupid mouth almost got yer asses kilt. Maybe I should finish the job. *snarls*

Cindy Ramirez: Linda>> *shrugs* Go ahead.....

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): Linda! *barks the name* Shift down.

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *oh boy...there's gonna be a fight...*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *last was too Cindy* So Ben...OK how do Gnawers do it...I was rabble I'm coming from the camp of "I didn't give a shit" to giving a shit. Whats your great plan. *half sarcasm...but you might have gotten through to her*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she ponders Ben's question, shrugs a little* It matters some...and Danni being in charge of the place is cool because it gives us more of a say I think....that's what I like, but I'm more glad that she's my packmate and a damn cool lady. *grins* Being the Elder does help us though...*smirks a little at mention of the Lords and Fangs* Gaia forbid we imitate what should we do then? Cause I really like that we've finally gotten the tribe together to talk about shit, should keep this up...

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *shifts down and snorts at Cindy contempiously*

Maggie Sue (FMT): Ben> Because we're havin' a meetin'? Because we're usin; our heads and brainstormin'? *SHe looks at Linda and Cindy* Not now you too... can it! We got other things to deal with./

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): *stops playing with his coat contents long enough to freeze and look between Cindy, Linda and Danni as the situation escalates*

Cindy Ramirez: *just sits there...*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *sighs a little, watching Linda and Cindy...though a half smile forms, as Linda asked the same question...sips her beer*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * Looks at ben* ~WS~ I think you may e missing why I think most of u think the postions should be Gnawwer not so we can bas n the lory of poer, not to Bully people and hold titles over them, we should be warder so our kin our protected by us, we should be Keeper of the Land so our sept is upkept like we think it should be, we should be master of rites thast way anyone who needs a talon or rite can get it not just thos who are of the right blood. We should have the postions cause most of us wants what is best for the sept, I cant trust the fenris, or for that matter anyone else lioke I trust linda, and Danni, hell I would even trust you wth my back why cause we are gnawer we take care of our own, cause no one else will

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): Cuz like Riley said...with Danni as GE...seems things is nicer...or was. Was nice stepping to our own tune. But now the others taking up the dance floor again.

Edward Morgan (TC): ((*Lurking in and out as I play a TT session...*))

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *looking at Linda* Yeah, with me as GE, things are decent. What happens when I get killed, Lin? Or replaced? Who watches out for us then?

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Its real simple people...when they tell us ta do somethin...if it aint our style we just dont do it...theres more of us than fer matters of punishment and fuck ups...if a Gnawer fucks up they deserve what they get...that's the bottom line...let the other Tribes have the fancy titles and shit..we still do what we want...and when they fuck up it's their fault and they look bad not us...passive resistance...not giving a fuck about titles and bullshit politics...THAT is how Gnawers do it...

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *listening to Ben, to much to absorb*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks troubled* Thats....thats a scarey thought grandmother.

Maggie Sue (FMT): *looks at Wields and stage whispers* What's a Gnawers style... is he talkin' City Gnawer or our kind....

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she gets a worried frown at Danni's words, shaking her head* Yeah, what Linda said...not a good thought there, but yer right, we should think of the possibilities.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): What let the Fenrir slay someone for shagging? Yeah it aint kosher...deserve a good swift kick in the bloody rear. *eyes Cindy* But death? That aint our way.

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): Mags>>not much differnce. *his english coming out nearly growled, as usual.*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks to en* ~WS~ thats how you do it an thats fine it works for you, you have friend in the fenris camp, you have twomoon's making sure you are taken care of. Not all of us can do that, some of us dont like them, so what then what for us, screw us? No gnawer way is do what it takes to Live, and I say for our tribe to protect our Kin, and our sept we have to hold some of these postions.

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): Damn skippy it's scary, Linda. *glancing at the others* When David was killed...I stepped up when asked. I was tha highest rankin' Gnawer, at tha time, I kinda got tha post by default. When I get killed...which one of you can take up my post? *looking at every face* Because I'm not sure any of you can, right now. I wanna fix that. I wanna make sure the caern stays Gnawer. I owe that much to David.

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *nods at Linda's words, a little worried* Yeah...when they start applying their standards to us, that's when I get worried....I don't care about the other stuff, they have their own way and we have ours...but sometimes that's not respected.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Linda>>Then maybe we should be a lil more careful about lettin the Fenrir find out who we're fuckin...gee what a concept keeping private live *the sound of an audiance gasping* private?! Whoda thunk it?

Cindy Ramirez: *at this point she doesn't seem to care if she dies or not.... she just sits there.... emotionless*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): So Forgotten...I got a Walker packmate and some honest respect for the Fenrir. They can kick my ass. You gotta respect that. Don't mean Ben aint gunna support tribe...what you smoking? I'm I a nothing cuz I got a CoG and a Walker in my pack? oi.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks to Danni* ~WS~ I have fucked up many times in my time here I aint gonna try to make tht up, but if you can show me what I need to make sure I can stepup when the time come's I wil learn, and I will do. I just need help learning how.

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): *looks at Cindy confusedly... finally putting two and two together. Doesn't look angered, or grossed out. More like perplexed*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *smirks and nods, listening*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: *turns to Forgotten and snarls narrowing his eyes* You tryin ta say somethin ye who seems to like feelin my axe tear his ass up?

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Ben* If I can't backhand Cindy then you gotta behave too.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *snorts*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks to Linda*~WS~ I never sad that, said some o us meaning me Dont have any friends but whats the few in this room who give a shit abou me, I dont like most of the Fenris, I dont know any glasswalkers, I cant sit back and gamble my life on them, i have to take care of myself andhop you guys will tak care of my back, I nevr ment you, i ment myself

Cindy Ramirez: Linda>> Go ahead, I don't give a shit...

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): Ben... *warning tone, then looks to Forgotten* Yer lettin' yer rage talk, Forgotten...I taught you better'n that. Siddown and shuddup fer a few minutes, gather yer thoughts so you can speak intelligently.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Cindy* Thats your fucking problem.

Cindy Ramirez: Linda>> *shrugs* whatever...

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks to ben* ~WS~ Your friends are none of my Concern. I could care less who you hang out with or buddy up with. I aint in the same spot as you so your way dont work for me, and last i checked I was at least allowed to speak my mind within my own tribe, yuo want to hit me with you axe fine come hit me but I cant stand back an jut let wht ever happenes happen, I cant.

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *thinks someone needs to spank Cindy, but it's not her place to say it*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): I've gotten incites that Truthcatcher deal aint my path. I was hoping all that rite knowledge could go to someone tribal that maybe our say could get back in the TC position. As for me...I'm going to be training my pack to take care of shit. Any kinda shit.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Danni and Ben* ANY kind of shit.

Maggie Sue (FMT): *Keeps her mouth shut now, watching*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * Looks to Danni* ~WS~ Yes Ryha but its not my rag speaking I am not mad at anyone ere, I am worried, cause unless bone Gnawers take care of this sept aint no one watchin my back

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * sits down like danni said for him to*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she frowns softly, listening while the player gets something to eat quickly*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Linda>>And we have a Bone Gnawer Truthcatcher...actually it's kinda balanced with Eddie as one TC and then Mr. Traditions as the other...

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *quirks a brow at Forgotten, the boy was NOT just about to argue with her..but she nods when he sits down as told*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *nods to Ben* Right. We got our TC. We go to him instead of Hadrian, fer everything we can. Hadrian can' hand out punishments on trials he doesn' oversee.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): I've made my views known. I don't think it would hurt for us to try to keep a public presense. I offer training in what I know for any of you that might have some fire. I think we needs it. But Ben has a point'll be a long time before we could beat a Fenrir at their own game ...if we ever can. So we gotta find our own game. Passive resistance ...maybe...or public face? *looks at the gather* Tell me what the tribe gunna do.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): If Edward is around. *looks at Eddy* Otherwise that idea is moot.

Edward Morgan (TC): *Grunts* I have every intention of challanging for Adren again... soon.... maybe tomorrow. Let's hope the task keeps me here.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): I know my fenzy there ....I aint the one to be say'n this....but what if we really do get a rabid dog of a Garou in our sept? *crosses arms* We shouldn't have to suffer.

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Danni>>Very true...BUT here's somethin hard ta swallow...we can't expect the other Tribes to act like us...believe what we do just like they can't expect us to be clones of them...if a Gnawer fucks up and gets nailed by the Fenrir then that's their fuck up...and we cant fault the Fenrir for being true to their natures...nor can we be deluded enough to think we can change those natures...we do what our Tribe has always done...we survive...and as is Rat's way if there's a weak link holdin us down we get rid of it...somethin we aint been doin which probably is the main reason we lost damn near all the power we had...

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *looks to Linda* Rabid dogs need to be put down. *and leaves it at that*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): *takes the moment of Ben's words to revert to lupus and hide most of himself behind Maggie. only his eyes and tip of snout coming around her side, the rest trying to be concealed behind her clothing*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *Scratche sher head as she thinks*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): But if'n it's our place...we go into a Fenrir sept I fully expect to accept there ways...or a Walker...isn't this a Gnawer?

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *tilts her head at Ben* And with our numbers bein' down, can we afford ta lose even tha weakest of us? *doesn't glance at Cindy, but the thought is there* Even if they can be made stronger?

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *Linda has a point...if you go to a foreign country, you should learn the language*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Linda>>Maybe when it started out it was...but it aint now...we needed and accepted the help of the Fenrir and the Hippies and all the rest...are we Shadow Lords to stab our allies in the back once we dont need em anymore? Or are we Bone Gnawers who accept those who help us as family? It's a multi tribal sept not a Gnawer sept...//Danni>>Numbers aint that far down...and yeah we can cuz we're only as strong as that weakest link...and if they can be made stronger great fantastic...but ya waste too much time on a hopeless cause yer hurtin everyone else...*does bring it up* How many 'chances' has Cindy had? 4? 5? How many more we gonna give her before it's realized she's worthless? Look at her now...she dont even WANT to be better...never has...just wants to wallow in her own self pity and worthlessness...

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *grins and nods to Linda* 'xactly what I was going to say. 'When in Rome...'

Maggie Sue (FMT): *She wraps an arm protectively around Spork*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *frowns slightly, glancing at Cindy...wishing the girl would get enough spine to at least defend herself*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Danni>>Dave understood that ... he understood there are some who just need ta be let go for their own good as well as the rest of the Tribes....

Cindy Ramirez: *sighs a bit.... but doesn't say anything*

Cindy Ramirez: *lowers her head a bit when Ben mentions Gran'father Dave*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): So? OK we got the other tribes. Still can't hurt us to have a presense and have a say. *crosses her for the weakest link...shes Claith...thats higherup talk*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): So what do we do, Ben? You be the judge and jury. What do you decree should be done with one who's "weak"?

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): I did my time. Took my turn. I'm willing to train the next one. *looks at her tribemates*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *glances to Linda, shrugs* We may have more than one tribe, but the majority of folks in it is Gnawers, has been for a while' that should count fer somethin'

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *catches Linda's eye..she's willing to learn whatever Linda has time to teach, Linda knows that*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * walks up to beside danni and sits looking to her letting her know if he speaks its not ith his rage , waiting for her ok to reenter the discussion*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *nods to Riley* Tis my point.

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT's Ragabastard): Mags>>~ps~ push weakest to bottom, right? strengthen enough to rise up, stay at bottom, or drop so low get run off... right? *the lupus asking the homid for verification on instinct... what's the WoD coming to?*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Ari and smiles...OK she reached one*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * woul love to make a diferance but knows he has not the tempermnt to be a truthcatcher*

Maggie Sue (FMT): Weilds> ~ps~ Pretty much... *Just watches... she already made her redneck offer*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *nods a little to Forgotten*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Danni>>Same thing Dave always did...send her elsewhere ... send her somewhere where she isn't our burden...maybe somewhere else she can learn how to be a Garou and be stronger...but here she's just draggin us down...I don't blame the Fenrir for seeing us as worthless cuz look what we let happen...//Linda>>Thats' fine we already have a presence...who ordered the attack on that place in Minnisota? We still call the shots...we just do it quietly and subtle like...we let the other Tribes think that they run the show but in truth WE run the show...

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * nods back to her*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Cindy...she was improving before Syd's thing...doesn't understand the girl*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): Flea got's Cindy and em...lets see what Flea can do with her. *has confidence in her packmate* She couldn't git anyone to watch her cubs...and didn't want to break veil cart'n em over here.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks at Cindy and wishes for god's sake she would speak up, say something dont lt Ben walk on you like that

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she shrugs and stretches a bit, not about to get into the hornet's nest that is Cindy's current status*

Cindy Ramirez: ... I don't want to go anywhere else...

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Linda>>Like I said how many shots we gonna give her? Another 5? After Flea fails are we gonna say "Well maybe the next Denmother/father will have better luck" Fuck that! She's fuckin worthless ... she's more worthless and cowardly than Sydney...

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *isn't sure if they've actually accomplished anything tonight, beyond getting some grievances out in the open. Sighs a bit*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: *turns to Cindy* If you don't wanna get shipped off then you need to wake the fuck up and get on the ball...not sit and cower like a fucking human

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks to Cindy*

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *winces a bit...Cindy's really getting raked over the coals*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Danni...she can tell Ben how it's going to be...*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * walks to cindy letting linda nd danni handle ben laying down in front ofher*~WS~ You want to say here, you said that then voice yoursel, tell your family whats the problem, Tell soeone something stand up for yourself, do yuo really think danni is gonna let anyone hurt you if you say whats on your mind?

Cindy Ramirez: Ben>> *looks him in the eye* Fuck. You.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * looks to her with all honesty* ~WS~ If you will stand up say whats on your mind and speak up for yourself I will stand here with you and anyone wanting to do something to you has to go thrugh meok?

Maggie Sue (FMT): *looks at Weilds* ~ps~ Did I miss something? When'd this become a witch hunt?

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): About time you said that. *looks at Cindy*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * grins as she say to ben wht he has wanted to say all night*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *shrugs at Maggie...she didn't bring Cindy into it really shes just upset about the situation with her packmate...her issue is more of a tribal presense is needed*

Ben Hawking ~Remembers the Pain~: Took ya long let's see if that spine will keep...noone else may but I guarentee I have the stomach to cut off any weak links...

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *she just shrugs as Ben walks out, smirks a little at Linda's words and fades more into the background, quietly thoughful without Steel to pester*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks confused at Danni* Just a venting session Grandma?

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * nods to Linda we all need teeth to show them this is owr home*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *looks at them* It obviously looks like we need to work on ourselves, before we work on the Sept.

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *she nods to Linda, and even Forgotten* All of you. Learn what you can, teach when you can.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * not sure what cindy is talking aboutbut hey she is yelling good start for her*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *grins* Better then sitting there with a beer can up my butt.

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): Not venting, Linda... *a small smile, like maybe she knows something Linda doesn't*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT): OOC:sorry. window died while posting in the JY. BIC:*shrugs to maggie*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * nods to Danni* ~WS~ when you have a chance there are some things I would like you to help me with.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Cindy* Learn to keep your private life private...*snorts and pops another beer*

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: (brb)

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): As far as I see it your big mouth almost got my packmate killed. And my packmate was stupid for mucking with you.

Cindy Ramirez: Linda>> I told ONE person.... the person I live with.... she woulda known anyway.... she HAD to know.... and I'm sorry it almost got Syd killed... if I could've died to keep her safe..... I would have....

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *looks at Danni* We done...I guess?

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): Linda... *warning tone again* You deal with yer personal issues with Cindy later.

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *nods a bit to Linda* We're done, fer now. I wanna see what they do, now.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): Yes Boss. *growls alittle*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *Shakes her head, frowning*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): See what who do? Us?

Cindy Ramirez: Danni>> No, Gran'mother.... let her say it.... all of ya.... c'mon! I know you all fucking hate me! Let it out!....... C'MON!!!

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *nods to Linda* All of them. *and looks to Cindy* Silence. Now.

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * not sure what ll thisis about but seems personal so he trots to Danni and looks to her* ~WS~ Can you start to show me what it takes to be a Guardian,a warder, or a master of Challanges?

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *sighs, shakes her head at Cindy* Don't hate ya, Cin.....but if everything's said and done fer the night, I need to take off...get some supplies, and talk to some folks.

Cindy Ramirez: *gazes at Danni.... but shuts up........ but at least she's upgraded from depressed.... to royally pissed off*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT): *shifts to homid, looking over at Cindy* what if we *growls to clear his throat* don't know you? *comes out sounding more like "ewe"*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *laughs* Finially some fire. *grins at Cindy...OK...Linda is wierd* Grow your teeth. Rat needs them. You want a piece of me cub...lets go to the Caern and spar out some energy.

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): Thats where I'll be. *nods to Danni* I hope this is some huge ass plan.

Riley ~Coat of Many Colors~: *and graceful IC exit*

Linda ~Hits heads with pipe~ (S-E-D): *heads to the Caern...pissed off Cindy can follow or not*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): This is...a huge ass improvisation, Linda. *grins a bit at her* Play along.

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *can't help but grin a bit at Danni-rhya's words*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *Shakes her head. Just shakes her head*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * tilts His head at Dani*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *glancing around, making sure everyone gets headed on their way*

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *welp, must be time to go...she gets up and heads out*

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * Loks to Danni* ~WS~ can i come fin you at your shop to ask you some things then?

Cindy Ramirez: *takes a couple breaths.... then heads out*

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *she nods to Forgotten* Come by...

Forgotten Rage-of-the-Mother: * nods to her* ~WS~ thanks see you later. * trots out*

Ari Ford {SR Beta}: *~*~*gone*~*~*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT): *doesn't go anywhere until Mags does*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *looks at Spork* Ready SPorky?

Danni ~Steamroller~ Cross (GE): *gives Wields and Maggie a smile, since they're still there, then heads out herself, going back to the caern*

Maggie Sue (FMT): *smiles to Danni wanely, standing*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT): *ndos and pulls out a Marlboro red. lights it up with a grin*

Wields-Plastic-Death (FMT): *gives Danni a HUGE grin*


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